into a government plan. >> governor, had those systems taken ahold -- >> lewin associates is owned by a health insurance company. so let's -- cbo which i think is a more reasonable organization says 5 or 10 million people are going to end up -- >> depends on the amount of people. >> second of all, what the speaker didn't tell you, let's suppose you that get forced out of your employer-based system which is unlikely, but let's suppose you that do. the government will pay you based on your income either to go into a public option or a private option. nobody is forcing you into the public option. now, the third thing that nobody talks about is this bill is terrific for a small business. the blue dogs made it a better bill, and i hopefully the b by gets through, it gets even better. right now on the house bill, if you're a small business, you have no responsibility whatsoever to give your employees health insurance. that now becomes a subsidy based on your income. this is choice. this is real choice. >> that's in the house bills. but the senate has made it clear they're not going to inclu